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[OPNenthu]

Maybe I misinterpreted the link in the OP?

The things it discusses seem to have more to do with punching through for access purposes (avoiding VPN blocks) rather than anonymity.  Tor is solving a different problem, no?

[Patrick M. Hausen]

Yes, but in which scenario would you legitimately need to punch holes through a firewall that not also asks for anonymity?

[OPNenthu]

Either when fear of repercussion is low (no real consequence of getting around a block) or in high numbers (a country in revolution/protest all accessing information together).  In some cases I guess getting information can be more important than hiding the fact, especially if Tor can be blocked.

In typical situations, I think I agree with you.  Most casual VPN users probably desire some level of anonymity or at least blocking data collection from a network operator (maybe some people are employed by their ISP, for example).

I'm reaching a bit here, but I'm trying :)

[Patrick M. Hausen]

Most casual VPN users probably desire some level of anonymity or at least blocking data collection from a network operator

The funny thing is that at least in the EU your ISP is way more trustworthy than any so called "VPN provider". With a commercial "VPN" you hand all your communication metadata to a single entity, frequently a company located not in the EU. While your ISP is bound by GDPR and strong consumer protection laws and all hell will break loose should they ever get caught sniffing.

For me a VPN is something where I control both ends. Hence the quotes (") above.

[nero355]

The funny thing is that at least in the EU your ISP is way more trustworthy than any so called "VPN provider". With a commercial "VPN" you hand all your communication metadata to a single entity, frequently a company located not in the EU. While your ISP is bound by GDPR and strong consumer protection laws and all hell will break loose should they ever get caught sniffing.

Actually there is no right choice there :

- VPN Company = Often someone you don't really know...
Even tho I know that at least two of them are "serious bastards" when it comes to their demands when they rent their servers from a hosting company : Private Internet Access and Mullvad.
- You can't trust your ISP either because (at least in The Netherlands) they are forced to allow the Police/Government to sniff/monitor their network whenever they want...

So the only option left is maybe some Server or VPS hosted in a country your own country has no connections to and host your own VPN there... hopefully...

The whole Tor VPN thing is also one big unknown for most people so even there the question is if you can trust it...



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