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My local gigabit fiber ISP company was great for years but sold its residential business to another ISP about a year ago.
Unbeknownst to me, the new ISP uses CGNAT (Carrier-grade NAT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT). Its purpose is to conserve the ISP's IPv4 addresses to keep the ISP's costs down. The ISP should use IPv6 addresses instead.
CGNAT prevented my newly configured WireGuard VPN from working. This was my first time setting up WireGuard. I read that WireGuard is fast but difficult to set up, so I assumed I was botching the settings from the WireGuard Road Warrior Setup guide (https://docs.opnsense.org/manual/how-tos/wireguard-client.html#step-5-assignments-and-routing) and other guides, doc and video online.
My dynamicDNS address wasn't my DEC850's. It was the ISP's CGNAT address. The address difference was subtle because only the last octet was different (and just +-1) from my OpnSense WAN IP. I didn't notice that for a long time, dang it. I also tested using my WAN IP address in WireGuard instead of dynamicDNS but it wasn't routeable either.
I asked my ISP why my whatismyipaddress-dot-com address in my computer browser (and in dynamicDNS) was different from my firewall's WAN IP address.
They told they used CGNAT. I hadn't heard of it so read about it.
What a nightmare of wasted time. On and off for about 6 months, I slugged it out with OpnSense WireGuard, deleting all the configuration elements then adding them back using different advice online. I estimate I wasted 30-40 hours based on three to four sessions lasting 10 hours each.
The ISP's tech support said I could opt out of CGNAT for no extra cost if I submitted a webform explaining why. They couldn't guarantee it'd be approved and didn't give me a time estimate for their decision or implementation.
My ISP recently approved my request and took me off CGNAT, though they messed up their configuration and left me without internet for most of a day.
Today, after deleting all my WireGuard settings, including instance, peers, interface, firewall rules, I added them back cleanly from the WireGuard Road Warrior guide and everything worked the first time!
At least in my struggles I learned much more about WireGuard, OpnSense and CGNAT than I would have if WireGuard worked the first time.
This ISP has way more scheduled and unscheduled outages than the previous one. That's probably in part due to CGNAT, which is more complicated to maintain, I'm told.
I don't trust or like this small ISP. I'm switching back to my previous one as a business customer (they don't accept residential customers anymore). All their IP addresses are fully routable and they rarely had outages (maybe one a year).
DIRT ON CGNAT
From perplexity.ai...
The use of Carrier Grade NAT (CGNAT) by ISPs introduces several significant drawbacks for both providers and end-users:
## Performance Degradation
- **Increased latency**: CGNAT adds an intermediary layer, causing delays in real-time applications like VoIP, video conferencing, and online gaming[1][4][8].
- **Network congestion**: Shared public IPs can lead to slower browsing and streaming during peak hours[2][4].
## Connectivity Limitations
- **Broken peer-to-peer (P2P) functionality**: NAT traversal issues disrupt torrenting, gaming (e.g., Xbox), and direct device communication[1][3][6].
- **Remote access challenges**: Port forwarding restrictions prevent users from accessing home servers, security cameras, or NAS devices externally[2][4].
- **Hosting restrictions**: Self-hosted services (websites, email servers) become nearly impossible due to inbound traffic blocking[2][4].
## Security and Reputation Risks
- **Shared IP vulnerabilities**: If one user engages in malicious activity, the entire shared IP may face blacklisting, affecting all users[2][4].
- **Expanded attack surface**: A DDoS attack on one IP can degrade service for multiple customers[5].
## Operational Challenges for ISPs
- **Higher costs**: Implementation and maintenance fees, combined with IPv4 address scarcity, increase expenses[1][7].
- **Complex traffic monitoring**: Law enforcement and abuse tracking become difficult due to shared IPs[4][7].
## User Experience Issues
- **Streaming quality degradation**: Buffering occurs on platforms like Netflix due to latency[2][4].
- **Smart home limitations**: Remote management of IoT devices often requires cloud workarounds[2][4].
These drawbacks highlight why CGNAT is often viewed as a temporary solution to IPv4 exhaustion, with IPv6 adoption being the long-term alternative[1][6].
Citations:
[1] https://ipv4connect.com/2023/06/pros-and-cons-deploying-carrier-grade-nat/
[2] https://ausgeek.net/viewtopic.php?t=284
[3] https://www.daryllswer.com/shortcomings-of-cgnat-and-potential-work-arounds/
[4] https://www.rapidseedbox.com/blog/cgnat
[5] https://www.corero.com/ddos-disadvantages-of-carrier-grade-nat/
[6] https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/s2ulh6/does_anyone_else_hate_it_when_isp_puts_you_behind/
[7] https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/21946-ftth-fiber-to-the-home-isps-and-cgnat/
[8] https://www.snbforums.com/threads/pros-and-cons-of-static-ip.87208/
Unbeknownst to me, the new ISP uses CGNAT (Carrier-grade NAT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT). Its purpose is to conserve the ISP's IPv4 addresses to keep the ISP's costs down. The ISP should use IPv6 addresses instead.
CGNAT prevented my newly configured WireGuard VPN from working. This was my first time setting up WireGuard. I read that WireGuard is fast but difficult to set up, so I assumed I was botching the settings from the WireGuard Road Warrior Setup guide (https://docs.opnsense.org/manual/how-tos/wireguard-client.html#step-5-assignments-and-routing) and other guides, doc and video online.
My dynamicDNS address wasn't my DEC850's. It was the ISP's CGNAT address. The address difference was subtle because only the last octet was different (and just +-1) from my OpnSense WAN IP. I didn't notice that for a long time, dang it. I also tested using my WAN IP address in WireGuard instead of dynamicDNS but it wasn't routeable either.
I asked my ISP why my whatismyipaddress-dot-com address in my computer browser (and in dynamicDNS) was different from my firewall's WAN IP address.
They told they used CGNAT. I hadn't heard of it so read about it.
What a nightmare of wasted time. On and off for about 6 months, I slugged it out with OpnSense WireGuard, deleting all the configuration elements then adding them back using different advice online. I estimate I wasted 30-40 hours based on three to four sessions lasting 10 hours each.
The ISP's tech support said I could opt out of CGNAT for no extra cost if I submitted a webform explaining why. They couldn't guarantee it'd be approved and didn't give me a time estimate for their decision or implementation.
My ISP recently approved my request and took me off CGNAT, though they messed up their configuration and left me without internet for most of a day.
Today, after deleting all my WireGuard settings, including instance, peers, interface, firewall rules, I added them back cleanly from the WireGuard Road Warrior guide and everything worked the first time!
At least in my struggles I learned much more about WireGuard, OpnSense and CGNAT than I would have if WireGuard worked the first time.
This ISP has way more scheduled and unscheduled outages than the previous one. That's probably in part due to CGNAT, which is more complicated to maintain, I'm told.
I don't trust or like this small ISP. I'm switching back to my previous one as a business customer (they don't accept residential customers anymore). All their IP addresses are fully routable and they rarely had outages (maybe one a year).
DIRT ON CGNAT
From perplexity.ai...
The use of Carrier Grade NAT (CGNAT) by ISPs introduces several significant drawbacks for both providers and end-users:
## Performance Degradation
- **Increased latency**: CGNAT adds an intermediary layer, causing delays in real-time applications like VoIP, video conferencing, and online gaming[1][4][8].
- **Network congestion**: Shared public IPs can lead to slower browsing and streaming during peak hours[2][4].
## Connectivity Limitations
- **Broken peer-to-peer (P2P) functionality**: NAT traversal issues disrupt torrenting, gaming (e.g., Xbox), and direct device communication[1][3][6].
- **Remote access challenges**: Port forwarding restrictions prevent users from accessing home servers, security cameras, or NAS devices externally[2][4].
- **Hosting restrictions**: Self-hosted services (websites, email servers) become nearly impossible due to inbound traffic blocking[2][4].
## Security and Reputation Risks
- **Shared IP vulnerabilities**: If one user engages in malicious activity, the entire shared IP may face blacklisting, affecting all users[2][4].
- **Expanded attack surface**: A DDoS attack on one IP can degrade service for multiple customers[5].
## Operational Challenges for ISPs
- **Higher costs**: Implementation and maintenance fees, combined with IPv4 address scarcity, increase expenses[1][7].
- **Complex traffic monitoring**: Law enforcement and abuse tracking become difficult due to shared IPs[4][7].
## User Experience Issues
- **Streaming quality degradation**: Buffering occurs on platforms like Netflix due to latency[2][4].
- **Smart home limitations**: Remote management of IoT devices often requires cloud workarounds[2][4].
These drawbacks highlight why CGNAT is often viewed as a temporary solution to IPv4 exhaustion, with IPv6 adoption being the long-term alternative[1][6].
Citations:
[1] https://ipv4connect.com/2023/06/pros-and-cons-deploying-carrier-grade-nat/
[2] https://ausgeek.net/viewtopic.php?t=284
[3] https://www.daryllswer.com/shortcomings-of-cgnat-and-potential-work-arounds/
[4] https://www.rapidseedbox.com/blog/cgnat
[5] https://www.corero.com/ddos-disadvantages-of-carrier-grade-nat/
[6] https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/s2ulh6/does_anyone_else_hate_it_when_isp_puts_you_behind/
[7] https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/21946-ftth-fiber-to-the-home-isps-and-cgnat/
[8] https://www.snbforums.com/threads/pros-and-cons-of-static-ip.87208/
