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25.7, 25.10 Series / Re: Update 25.7 -> 25.7.9 Unexpected error
December 07, 2025, 01:31:46 PM
I just waited until I heard the familiar beep on reboot. Some minutes later, the webinterface was accessible again and it seems the upgrade went fine.

Will monitor my FWs behaviour but it seems to be OK.
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25.7, 25.10 Series / Resolved: Update 25.7 -> 25.7.9 Unexpected error
December 07, 2025, 01:07:43 PM
Wanted to update from 25.7 to latest 25.7.9 when I got "Unexpected error, check log for details".
I was able to copy what was visible in the web interface, see below. Web interface now gives me a 403 forbidden and ssh "access denied".
Any recommendations?

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***GOT REQUEST TO UPDATE***
Currently running OPNsense 25.7 (amd64) at Sun Dec  7 12:39:24 CET 2025
Updating OPNsense repository catalogue...
OPNsense repository is up to date.
All repositories are up to date.
Updating OPNsense repository catalogue...
OPNsense repository is up to date.
All repositories are up to date.
Checking for upgrades (148 candidates): .......... done
Processing candidates (148 candidates): ....... done
The following 96 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked):

New packages to be INSTALLED:
py311-pyopenssl: 25.3.0_1,1

Installed packages to be UPGRADED:
boost-libs: 1.88.0_1 -> 1.89.0_1
brotli: 1.1.0,1 -> 1.2.0,1
ca_root_nss: 3.108 -> 3.117_2
curl: 8.14.1 -> 8.17.0
easy-rsa: 3.2.3,1 -> 3.2.4,1
expat: 2.7.1 -> 2.7.3
filterlog: 0.7_1 -> 0.7_2
ivykis: 0.43.2 -> 0.43.2_1
jq: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1
kea: 2.6.3_1 -> 3.0.2
krb5: 1.21.3_1 -> 1.22.1
libcbor: 0.12.0_2 -> 0.13.0
libedit: 3.1.20250104,1 -> 3.1.20251016_1,1
libiconv: 1.17_1 -> 1.18_1
libinotify: 20240724_2 -> 20240724_3
liblz4: 1.10.0,1 -> 1.10.0_2,1
libnghttp2: 1.66.0 -> 1.68.0
libpfctl: 0.15 -> 0.17
libucl: 0.9.2_1 -> 0.9.2_2
libunistring: 1.3 -> 1.4.1
libxml2: 2.14.5 -> 2.14.6
lighttpd: 1.4.79 -> 1.4.82
nspr: 4.36 -> 4.38.2
nss: 3.113.1_1 -> 3.118.1
ntp: 4.2.8p18_4 -> 4.2.8p18_5
openssh-portable: 10.0.p1_1,1 -> 10.2.p1_1,1
openssl: 3.0.17,1 -> 3.0.18,1
openvpn: 2.6.14 -> 2.6.17
opnsense: 25.7 -> 25.7.9
opnsense-lang: 25.1.11 -> 25.7.4
opnsense-update: 25.7 -> 25.7.8
os-smart: 2.3_1 -> 2.4
pcre2: 10.45_1 -> 10.47_1
perl5: 5.40.2_2 -> 5.42.0_1
php83: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-ctype: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-curl: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-dom: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-filter: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-gettext: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-ldap: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-mbstring: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-pcntl: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-pdo: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-pear: 1.10.13 -> 1.10.16
php83-phpseclib: 3.0.46 -> 3.0.47
php83-session: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-simplexml: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-sockets: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-sqlite3: 8.3.23_1 -> 8.3.28
php83-xml: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-zlib: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
pkcs11-helper: 1.29.0_3 -> 1.31.0
py311-aioquic: 1.2.0 -> 1.3.0_1
py311-anyio: 4.9.0 -> 4.11.0
py311-attrs: 25.3.0 -> 25.4.0
py311-certifi: 2025.6.15 -> 2025.10.5
py311-charset-normalizer: 3.4.2 -> 3.4.4
py311-cryptography: 44.0.3_2,1 -> 45.0.7_1,1
py311-dnspython: 2.7.0,1 -> 2.8.0_1,1
py311-duckdb: 1.3.1_1 -> 1.3.2
py311-idna: 3.10 -> 3.11
py311-jq: 1.8.0_1 -> 1.10.0
py311-markupsafe: 3.0.2 -> 3.0.3
py311-numexpr: 2.11.0 -> 2.14.1
py311-numpy: 1.26.4_6,1 -> 1.26.4_10,1
py311-pandas: 2.2.3_2,1 -> 2.3.3,1
py311-pycparser: 2.22 -> 2.23
py311-pylsqpack: 0.3.22 -> 0.3.23
py311-pyyaml: 6.0.1_1 -> 6.0.3
py311-requests: 2.32.4 -> 2.32.5
py311-sqlite3: 3.11.13_11 -> 3.11.14_11
py311-trio: 0.30.0 -> 0.32.0
py311-truststore: 0.10.1 -> 0.10.4
py311-typing-extensions: 4.14.0 -> 4.15.0
py311-ujson: 5.10.0_1 -> 5.11.0
py311-urllib3: 1.26.20,1 -> 2.5.0,1
py311-vici: 5.9.11_1 -> 6.0.3
python311: 3.11.13 -> 3.11.14
readline: 8.2.13_2 -> 8.3.1
smartmontools: 7.5 -> 7.5_1
sqlite3: 3.50.2_1,1 -> 3.50.4_2,1
strongswan: 5.9.14 -> 6.0.3_1
sudo: 1.9.17p1 -> 1.9.17p2_2
suricata: 7.0.11_1 -> 8.0.2
syslog-ng: 4.8.2_3 -> 4.10.2
unbound: 1.23.1 -> 1.24.2
wpa_supplicant: 2.11_5 -> 2.11_7
zstd: 1.5.7 -> 1.5.7_1

Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
cyrus-sasl-2.1.28_5 (provided shared library changed)
cyrus-sasl-gssapi-2.1.28 (provided shared library changed)
dnsmasq-2.91_1,1 (required shared library changed)
glib-2.84.1_3,2 (required shared library changed)
openldap26-client-2.6.10 (required shared library changed)
rrdtool-1.9.0_1 (direct dependency changed: perl5)

Number of packages to be installed: 1
Number of packages to be upgraded: 89
Number of packages to be reinstalled: 6

The process will require 13 MiB more space.
161 MiB to be downloaded.
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[67/96] Fetching curl-8.17.0.pkg: .......... done
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Checking integrity... done (1 conflicting)
  - py311-pyopenssl-25.3.0_1,1 conflicts with py311-openssl-25.0.0_1,1 on /usr/local/lib/python3.11/site-packages/OpenSSL/SSL.py
Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
Conflicts with the existing packages have been found.
One more solver iteration is needed to resolve them.
The following 97 package(s) will be affected (of 0 checked):

New packages to be INSTALLED:
py311-pyopenssl: 25.3.0_1,1

Installed packages to be UPGRADED:
boost-libs: 1.88.0_1 -> 1.89.0_1
brotli: 1.1.0,1 -> 1.2.0,1
ca_root_nss: 3.108 -> 3.117_2
curl: 8.14.1 -> 8.17.0
easy-rsa: 3.2.3,1 -> 3.2.4,1
expat: 2.7.1 -> 2.7.3
filterlog: 0.7_1 -> 0.7_2
ivykis: 0.43.2 -> 0.43.2_1
jq: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1
kea: 2.6.3_1 -> 3.0.2
krb5: 1.21.3_1 -> 1.22.1
libcbor: 0.12.0_2 -> 0.13.0
libedit: 3.1.20250104,1 -> 3.1.20251016_1,1
libiconv: 1.17_1 -> 1.18_1
libinotify: 20240724_2 -> 20240724_3
liblz4: 1.10.0,1 -> 1.10.0_2,1
libnghttp2: 1.66.0 -> 1.68.0
libpfctl: 0.15 -> 0.17
libucl: 0.9.2_1 -> 0.9.2_2
libunistring: 1.3 -> 1.4.1
libxml2: 2.14.5 -> 2.14.6
lighttpd: 1.4.79 -> 1.4.82
nspr: 4.36 -> 4.38.2
nss: 3.113.1_1 -> 3.118.1
ntp: 4.2.8p18_4 -> 4.2.8p18_5
openssh-portable: 10.0.p1_1,1 -> 10.2.p1_1,1
openssl: 3.0.17,1 -> 3.0.18,1
openvpn: 2.6.14 -> 2.6.17
opnsense: 25.7 -> 25.7.9
opnsense-lang: 25.1.11 -> 25.7.4
opnsense-update: 25.7 -> 25.7.8
os-smart: 2.3_1 -> 2.4
pcre2: 10.45_1 -> 10.47_1
perl5: 5.40.2_2 -> 5.42.0_1
php83: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-ctype: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-curl: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-dom: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-filter: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-gettext: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-ldap: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-mbstring: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-pcntl: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-pdo: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-pear: 1.10.13 -> 1.10.16
php83-phpseclib: 3.0.46 -> 3.0.47
php83-session: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-simplexml: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-sockets: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-sqlite3: 8.3.23_1 -> 8.3.28
php83-xml: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
php83-zlib: 8.3.23 -> 8.3.28
pkcs11-helper: 1.29.0_3 -> 1.31.0
py311-aioquic: 1.2.0 -> 1.3.0_1
py311-anyio: 4.9.0 -> 4.11.0
py311-attrs: 25.3.0 -> 25.4.0
py311-certifi: 2025.6.15 -> 2025.10.5
py311-charset-normalizer: 3.4.2 -> 3.4.4
py311-cryptography: 44.0.3_2,1 -> 45.0.7_1,1
py311-dnspython: 2.7.0,1 -> 2.8.0_1,1
py311-duckdb: 1.3.1_1 -> 1.3.2
py311-idna: 3.10 -> 3.11
py311-jq: 1.8.0_1 -> 1.10.0
py311-markupsafe: 3.0.2 -> 3.0.3
py311-numexpr: 2.11.0 -> 2.14.1
py311-numpy: 1.26.4_6,1 -> 1.26.4_10,1
py311-pandas: 2.2.3_2,1 -> 2.3.3,1
py311-pycparser: 2.22 -> 2.23
py311-pylsqpack: 0.3.22 -> 0.3.23
py311-pyyaml: 6.0.1_1 -> 6.0.3
py311-requests: 2.32.4 -> 2.32.5
py311-sqlite3: 3.11.13_11 -> 3.11.14_11
py311-trio: 0.30.0 -> 0.32.0
py311-truststore: 0.10.1 -> 0.10.4
py311-typing-extensions: 4.14.0 -> 4.15.0
py311-ujson: 5.10.0_1 -> 5.11.0
py311-urllib3: 1.26.20,1 -> 2.5.0,1
py311-vici: 5.9.11_1 -> 6.0.3
python311: 3.11.13 -> 3.11.14
readline: 8.2.13_2 -> 8.3.1
smartmontools: 7.5 -> 7.5_1
sqlite3: 3.50.2_1,1 -> 3.50.4_2,1
strongswan: 5.9.14 -> 6.0.3_1
sudo: 1.9.17p1 -> 1.9.17p2_2
suricata: 7.0.11_1 -> 8.0.2
syslog-ng: 4.8.2_3 -> 4.10.2
unbound: 1.23.1 -> 1.24.2
wpa_supplicant: 2.11_5 -> 2.11_7
zstd: 1.5.7 -> 1.5.7_1

Installed packages to be REINSTALLED:
cyrus-sasl-2.1.28_5 (provided shared library changed)
cyrus-sasl-gssapi-2.1.28 (provided shared library changed)
dnsmasq-2.91_1,1 (required shared library changed)
glib-2.84.1_3,2 (required shared library changed)
openldap26-client-2.6.10 (required shared library changed)
rrdtool-1.9.0_1 (direct dependency changed: perl5)

Installed packages to be REMOVED:
py311-openssl: 25.0.0_1,1

Number of packages to be removed: 1
Number of packages to be installed: 1
Number of packages to be upgraded: 89
Number of packages to be reinstalled: 6

The process will require 12 MiB more space.
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24.7, 24.10 Legacy Series / Re: unbound not updating blocklist
December 31, 2024, 06:37:37 PM
Youre right: https://docs.opnsense.org/manual/unbound.html#blocklists
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24.7, 24.10 Legacy Series / unbound not updating blocklist
December 30, 2024, 04:53:21 PM
OPNsense 24.7.11_2-amd64
Unbound 1.22.0_1

I just found that unbound did not update its DNS blocklist: My /var/unbound/data/dnsbl.json was from January this year
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root@OPNsense:/var/unbound/data # ls -l dnsbl*
-rw-r-----  1 unbound unbound 66960956 Jan 29  2024 dnsbl.json
-rw-r--r--  1 unbound unbound        7 Dec 30 16:17 dnsbl.size
I'm not sure why and nothing in the logs points out it was even trying to. I disabled the blocklist feature and hit apply
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-rw-r-----  1 root    unbound        0 Dec 30 16:41 dnsbl.json
-rw-r--r--  1 unbound unbound        7 Dec 30 16:17 dnsbl.sizeNotice now the file is owned by root.

I then re-enabled the feature, which prompted opnsense to download the blocklists without issue.
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-rw-r-----  1 root    unbound 63827058 Dec 30 16:42 dnsbl.json
-rw-r--r--  1 unbound unbound        7 Dec 30 16:42 dnsbl.size

Just leaving this here since for reference, since I can't rule out that I did something wrong so that I'm the culprit :D
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